[WXman]

EXACTLY. Factory freak. Every V6 Liberty around here is averaging about 16 in the summer and 14 in the winter. My wife's last tank resulted in 14.8 mpg and she drives conservatively. My CRD consistently gets 5-8 mpg more than my wife's 3.7L. That is a huge savings multiplied over the 2,000 miles I drive each month.

And then you have all the other bonuses of the CRD that he mentioned...longer life, more torque, easier to drive because you don't drop overdrive on hills, higher resale, better towing, etc.

 

[61942]

Luis

ps. yes... it's true what I claim about the mileage. If you have the 'nads to suggest that I'm lying again, then I'll take it as an insult.... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt since I'm sure you're sceptical..... There's absolutely no benefit or reason for me to lie about the results that I've had from my Libby so far, and if you'd go to the LOST forum and look under the mileage discussions, you'll find that I've been posting there for some time now.

The "nads" what are you 10? Yes I will say it again, you are lying. Of my 3 Liberty owning friends 2 of them have a 2005, one is a Rocky Mountain edition. He is 43 years old, has a wife a 2 sons. He drives slow and controlled, never punches it. He is getting a combined 16 MPG. Of course, he didn't expect the 3.7 to have good gas mileage, because everyone knows that they are gas hogs. You come into this board, and have posted around 60 times how you are getting 24 MPG. I don't give a hoot how you drive, you are not going to get 24MPG in a 3.7 unless you are coasting down a large mountain pass with a tail wind. I know Tampa doesn't have any of those. Of course, you will never be able to prove your mileage, so why not lie about it? Also, the 545RFE is the same transmission used in the HEMI trucks. You have a 4 speed 45RFE vs a 5 speed 545RFE which is more modern, and built with stronger internals which are fitted into HEMI powered vehicles. Hmm, tough choice. And Selec-Trac is much more flexible as you can use it in conditions which would call for 4WD, but you can't drop it in Part-Time due to binding.

What I think it is? You want to prove that you made the best desicion. Heck, we all do it. I am glad you like your gasser. You made the right choice for YOU. Now stop spreading disinformation to everyone. People might go down to the dealer and expect 24MPG out of their 3.7 because some guy said so.

P.S. Just because you post it a bunch of times doesn't make it true.

 

[Valkraider]

I bought the CRD so I could use Biodiesel.

 

[8594]

I bought the CRD so I could use Biodiesel.

:thumbsup:

I'm going to buy a CRD so I can use Biodiesel.

 

[57928]

The "nads" what are you 10? Yes I will say it again, you are lying. Of my 3 Liberty owning friends 2 of them have a 2005, one is a Rocky Mountain edition. He is 43 years old, has a wife a 2 sons. He drives slow and controlled, never punches it. He is getting a combined 16 MPG. Of course, he didn't expect the 3.7 to have good gas mileage, because everyone knows that they are gas hogs. You come into this board, and have posted around 60 times how you are getting 24 MPG. I don't give a hoot how you drive, you are not going to get 24MPG in a 3.7 unless you are coasting down a large mountain pass with a tail wind. I know Tampa doesn't have any of those. Of course, you will never be able to prove your mileage, so why not lie about it? Also, the 545RFE is the same transmission used in the HEMI trucks. You have a 4 speed 45RFE vs a 5 speed 545RFE which is more modern, and built with stronger internals which are fitted into HEMI powered vehicles. Hmm, tough choice. And Selec-Trac is much more flexible as you can use it in conditions which would call for 4WD, but you can't drop it in Part-Time due to binding.

What I think it is? You want to prove that you made the best desicion. Heck, we all do it. I am glad you like your gasser. You made the right choice for YOU. Now stop spreading disinformation to everyone. People might go down to the dealer and expect 24MPG out of their 3.7 because some guy said so.

P.S. Just because you post it a bunch of times doesn't make it true.

Ok big guy... I'll outline it for you nice and slow so you'll be sure to understand me... I'll use small words just to make sure that you can follow without having to grab a dictionary. I'm certain that if you had an IQ over 100 you wouldn't resort to accusing others of lying without ascertaining whether they were or not firsthand for yourself since you're only making a complete azz of yourself. :rofl:

I got 24+ mpg ON THE ROAD... all highway mileage... doing 60 mph with the cruise on, and the AC off (window's down)... so stop misquoting me... I get ~ 19.5 AVERAGE with a mix of about 60/40 Highway/city driving. The tank I JUST filled today averaged 19.99 mpg (394.9 miles on 19.75 gallons). Go over to the LOST board and read my many posts on the mileage thread... I've tried to help give others tips on how to get their 3.7's to perform as well as mine has been so far.

I have NO reason to lie... maybe I'm just a substantially better driver than most, but I can get the same mileage (even better in fact) from my wife's '05 3.7L Libby Sport as well.... it doesn't matter to me whether or not someone buys a 3.7L or a CRD... more power to them either way... but I won't stand idly by while you guys who have a CRD make flagrant lies about an engine that you don't even own.... just so you can justify in your mind why your engine is all superior.

Luis

ps. I'm 41 yrs young, married, and have two kids as well.... but what the heck does that have to do with anything? Just because you're a certain age doesn't make you any more or less ethical.... but I will say that if you were here in person instead of hiding behind your keyboard and called me a liar to my face in public about something that I knew was the truth... you'd be picking your sorry butt off the ground very shortly afterward and apologizing to me. It never ceases to amaze me that some people are so very rude online when they wouldn't be like that at all offline, and I'm sure that you're another one of these.... know why?... because if you actually HAD any 'nads you'd have apologized to me already for being so rude in your last post about something that you have no experience with.

pps. just because you refute my claim doesn't make it not true either.

 

[64474]

Woah fellas. The mileage is what it is and your mileage will vary. The gas or diesel debate will never die. The important thing is that you are happy with your rig and have fun driving it. Just remeber to smile real big when you go by all those misguided souls who bought non-Jeep suvs

 

[57928]

The important thing is that you are happy with your rig and have fun driving it. Just remember to smile real big when you go by all those misguided souls who bought non-Jeep suvs

Thanks Blue! Have a Happy New Year, and be safe! :thumbsup:

Luis

 

[61942]

Man, for 41 you have a lot to learn. Look at you talking about "Mr big man behind his keyboard" then you talk about putting me on my ***? What a hypocrite. FYI, I am 27, married and I am ex-military, 1/31st FA Fort Sill. I highly doubt I'd be put on my *** by a trash talking old man. Am I going to drive to Tampa, no why would I waste my time? Maybe I can hang out with your fishing buddies, woo-hoo.

You don't care if someone buys a CRD? Then why do you post in every CRD thread touting how great your 3.7 is? Who gives a crap? Why don't you stick to your 3.7 threads then?

Also, what is so hard about driving an automatic? What makes your "driving technique" so much better? Do you push the pedal down in your own special way? Maybe your magical fairy drives for you?

We don't just buy the CRD for fuel mileage, we buy it for many other reasons outlined previously. You will never prove your mileage claims. Stick with your own threads.

 

[danoid]

what are the bad egr symptoms? Our CRD stutters a little after hard excelleration then letting off the accelerator.

That's the only problem I have had (that I didn't do to it).

Oil changes are expensive ($70 @ dealer see other threads).

It's noisier when it's cold, and the fuel economy in the winter doesn't pay off with diesel prices the way they have been lately. I averaged 22-24 in the summer, now it's like 18-20.

The torque is marvelous. I pull a 27' ultra light camper with it and it beats the pants off of the 2002 and 2004 KJ's I've driven. If you venture off road, the torque is great for climbing also, you creep up as slow as you want to.

2005 CRD Limited Flame Red w/ Renegade rock rails & light bar, AirLift rear helper springs -225/75R16 MT/R's on cheap black steel wheels, dual MOPAR subwoofers & seat covers.

 

[57928]

Man, for 41 you have a lot to learn. Look at you talking about "Mr big man behind his keyboard" then you talk about putting me on my ***? What a hypocrite. FYI, I am 27, married and I am ex-military, 1/31st FA Fort Sill. I highly doubt I'd be put on my *** by a trash talking old man. Am I going to drive to Tampa, no why would I waste my time? Maybe I can hang out with your fishing buddies, woo-hoo.

You don't care if someone buys a CRD? Then why do you post in every CRD thread touting how great your 3.7 is? Who gives a crap? Why don't you stick to your 3.7 threads then?

Also, what is so hard about driving an automatic? What makes your "driving technique" so much better? Do you push the pedal down in your own special way? Maybe your magical fairy drives for you?

We don't just buy the CRD for fuel mileage, we buy it for many other reasons outlined previously. You will never prove your mileage claims. Stick with your own threads.

If you're 27 and ex-military, then it's highly likely that you'd kick my azz after I whacked you for calling me a liar in public... but I'd still do it in the hopes that you'd learn SOMETHING from the experience... even knowing that I was going to take a beating afterward.

Funny.... if you'd read my posts more carefully... with a little less bias about your beloved CRD, you'd see that I ALSO post that I think the CRD is an excellent engine.... so chill.... I'm not saying your ride sucks.. just that the 3.7L is ALSO a pretty damn good engine IMO..... knock on wood (just passed 10K miles week before last).

There's nothing special about my driving technique... go to the LOST forum and read under the mileage threads where I've taken the time to write extensively what to try to do, and look for, while driving to maximize your mileage... I'm not going to re-post it here again right now unless you're asking me specifically to.

Luis

ps. My hat's off to you for serving in the Military (many of my relatives have... some still do)... believe it or not I have the greatest respect for those people who have the 'nads to put their life on the line for our way of life here, and even though we may disagree about some other things, if you're ever in the area, let me know and I'll buy you a round of whatever you like, wherever you like, to show you that I'm serious about appreciating your service to our country...... but it doesn't mean that I'll let you disrespect me in public just because you're tougher than I am, and I think you'll maybe understand that when you reach my age.

pps. go back, re-read, and you'll see that YOU'RE the one who STARTED the "trash talking".... not me... my parents taught me to treat everybody else with respect... at least until they showed me that they were unable to return the favor.

 

[57928]

To the originator of this thread....

Don Spiro, I apologize for hi-jacking your thread... to answer the question that you posted in the beginning... go ahead and buy the CRD (or the 3.7L)... it's a great engine and you won't be going wrong with it. It is my OPINION that Jeep has worked out pretty much any problems they had with earlier versions of both the CRD and the 3.7L engines. Just don't buy the 4 cyl gasser... it's simply underpowered IMO.

Luis

 

[61942]

Tell you what, for what it's worth, eeking out 19MPG in the 3.7 is impressive. It is however a little hard to believe, I hope you understand why. To show that I too respect people, I will read your tips thread and impart that wisdom to my friends. I will even report my findings here. Also, I never said the 3.7 is a poor engine, as a matter of fact I have heard great things about it's performance. I have also heard and seen that it is fairly below average on fuel mileage. At the end of the day, we both drive nice vehicles. Sorry for any hostilities, have a happy new year.

 

[47199]

Some random observations...

Our CRD gave us great mileage on some mostly-highway trips (26-27mph). It's only got 2000 miles on the clock so far. That is pretty impressive.

On around-town driving with winter diesel, we just clocked a tank at 16.5mpg. This is mostly running errands around town. That's not as high as I'd like, although I recognize that the CRD is a heavy vehicle and the diesel has a higher fuel penalty for short trips than the gasoline engine does (warm-up A/F mixture, viscous heater). Given the same driving pattern, I think the gasser would be doing better right now.

I've read Tightwadsjeeper's posts about improving fuel economy through driving technique, and he is spot-on with all his recommendations. Over the past 15 years, I've developed a driving style which pretty much mirrors his, and I tend to get better mileage than average on every vehicle I drive. It's just common-sense stuff about maintaining momentum, minimizing braking, and maximizing drivetrain efficiency. I think he is just defending the 3.7L's ability to get reasonable mileage when driven with that intent in mind. I bet he'd work wonders with a 6-speed CRD too.

While I think the 3.7L would be nicer right now in some respects (better short-trip economy, no cool-down waits), I would still choose a CRD if I had to make the choice again. If it were primarily a city commuter vehicle with the occasional weekend trip thrown in, the decision would be a little more difficult. It seems like if you can squeeze some highway driving in with the CRD, you'll get some good mileage on that tank. If not, then the numbers I've been seeing are more comparable with the 3.7L numbers I've seen - again, only with 2000 miles on the odometer right now.

Oh yeah, and the KJ is an AWESOME city vehicle. The visibility is excellent, and I can swing 135 degrees around into an angled parking spot on the other side of a narrow city street!

- Chris

 

[57928]

Tell you what, for what it's worth, eeking out 19MPG in the 3.7 is impressive. It is however a little hard to believe, I hope you understand why. To show that I too respect people, I will read your tips thread and impart that wisdom to my friends. I will even report my findings here. Also, I never said the 3.7 is a poor engine, as a matter of fact I have heard great things about it's performance. I have also heard and seen that it is fairly below average on fuel mileage. At the end of the day, we both drive nice vehicles. Sorry for any hostilities, have a happy new year.

Thank you. Apology accepted and returned. I understand that it is hard to believe, especially since my wife has the same difficulty that most other drivers do... but it CAN be done.... you just have to learn to maximize the 3.7L's advantages, and adjust your driving style to get the most from it. I agree, your CRD is a VERY nice vehicle as well.

I wish you a happy New Year's too, and I assure you that there are no hard feelings on my end.

Everybody please drive very safely this weekend, and I look forward to seeing all of you on here next year!!

Luis

ps. I'm deadly serious about that offer for a drink, if you're ever down here in the Tampa area.... or if you can find the time... I'll be glad to take you out fishing on my boat.

 

[57928]

I think he is just defending the 3.7L's ability to get reasonable mileage when driven with that intent in mind. I bet he'd work wonders with a 6-speed CRD too. - Chris

Thanks Chrispitude! I too have often wondered just how many mpg I could eek out of a CRD myself... Maybe I'll get the chance someday.

Luis